(I may just really be tired, but I can't help but read that title as "Moron feeding my boys" which makes me feel like I'm the moron... Oh dear...)
Thanks to everyone for their comments on my last post. There were so many well thought out, thought provoking responses. I thought about just replying to each comment, but I know as a commenter, I rarely check back and I thought it might be better to respond in a new post.
And, that way, I'd actually manage a new post, too! So, hey, bonus!
(Before I get to that, I just thought I'd mention something about my commenting habits lately. I tend to read and comment on my phone while pumping or holding a baby. So, my commenting has been minimized quite a bit. And, I tend to only comment immediately on posts that either can have just a quick response (i.e. "yay for your BFP!" or "wow, your co-worker is a dumbass") or posts that seem to require an immediate response. If your post resonates with me or if I want to take my time to comment, I tend to mark it as unread to come back to later when I have the time and mental focus. And, sometimes later never comes! So, if I'm not commenting on your blog lately, that may mean that I REALLY REALLY want to say something very important and, therefore, am saying nothing at all. It's a little convoluted but that's my excuse and I'm sorry about it!!!)
Anywho...
First off, thanks to all of you who pointed out how tough it is to exclusively pump and how well I'm doing with it. I do feel like I'm accomplishing something by doing this and do feel like I'm doing a good job at it. Right now, it feels like something important I need to do. At some point, when it starts to feel overwhelming and like I'm taking time and energy away from my boys then I know it will be time to stop.
Guinevere was the first to point out the usefulness of keeping my pump parts in the fridge in between pumping sessions. A great idea. And, one that I'd heard someone say before and then TOTALLY forgot about. And, besides the lessened need to wash so often, do you know how nice refrigerated pump parts feel on sore boobs in the middle of the summer?! It's like putting your bra in the freezer!
She also discussed the possibility of donated breastmilk. Not something that we will likely pursue, but an excellent option. It reminds me of something, though, that I forgot to mention before. Late into our stay at the RMH, I had two tubs of frozen milk in the breastmilk freezer and many of the other mothers put a bottle or two a night in the freezer before taking them into the NICU the next day (it made it pretty evident that we were there for the long haul while most NICU babies were in the hospital for a week or two at most). Anyway, one day we watched a young mother bring one of the RMH workers over to the freezer and point at the milk and say something. My DH then ran into the mother who later asked if we'd taken any milk into the hospital with the wrong name. No, we hadn't. It seemed like someone had accidentally taken some of her milk. Or so we thought. But, it happened again a day or two later. Someone was stealing her milk. First off, as the mother, can you imagine?! How horrible to have a baby in the NICU and know the only thing you're able to do is give her your breastmilk and have it taken. Second, who in her right mind would take someone else's milk to give to her child when you have NO IDEA the medical status of that woman (for instance, the mother in question was a smoker). I guess if you knew your own status was likely worse or if you weren't producing enough or (and this is the worst possibility) you didn't feel like pumping but wanted to take advantage of the free food at the hospital for nursing mothers. I don't know. Regardless, we quickly moved my "stash" to a friend's mother's freezer after that.
Lastly, Guinevere pointed out that I can't really blame myself for transferring two embryos when costs really inhibit SET with no insurance coverage. Lack of insurance coverage for IF is one of my big pet peeves, so yeah, I get that. Especially since, hey, I am definitely evidence that not helping pay for SET IVF will very likely cost you as an insurance company in the long run. They have paid far more for our NICU stay than they would have for two years worth of monthly transfers. Of course, in the end, while my employer still may have had to deal with the increased costs due to our NICU stay, we changed insurance companies in between IVF and birth. So, one got off scott free and one got screwed...
little miss olive also dealt with exclusive pumping with her little girl and says she wishes she had cut herself some slack in the "must always pump" department. I definitely get that and am trying to... I really am!!
KC pointed out how jealous she feels of other twin mothers who were able to stay pregnant longer. Oh, I totally get that!! Every time someone mentions "my full term twins" or "oh, yeah, I understand, I only went to 36 weeks with my twins" or "oh, I was so big with my twins" I feel the greenest streak of jealousy. So far every test has said that it is unlikely that my boys will have any major issues from being 8 1/2 weeks premature. But, lots of things won't show up, yet, and I do fear that there will be secret developmental or behavioral issues lurking down the way. It's hard to let go. On the plus side, Missouri has an incredible program called "First Steps" where they work with parents of children under the age of 3 (i.e. before they get into special ed programs in school) who have or are more likely to have developmental issues due to low birthweight, genetic problems, etc. They send a team of evaluators and occupational and physical therapists to your home to work with you and your child to give them the best start. It may be as simple as having someone say "nope, your boys are fine" or "they need a little help -- here's what you can do at home." S automatically qualifies because he was under 1500 grams at birth. D was 1510 g, though, so he isn't an automatic qualifier. But, he will likely qualify since he was on oxygen for so long. You pay on a sliding scale and most people won't have to pay at all.
Dawn talked about tandem feeding being necessary but how sometimes it made her feel guilty because she couldn't hold her boys as much on their own and the double mommy guilt that comes from twins in general. Alex mentioned possibly feeding and pumping all at once to help save time. First, yeah, mommy guilt is definitely out there! And, double the babies, double the guilt. Definitely. Even feeding them one at a time, I feel guilty not being able to hold them afterward if I have to rush to the other one.
The biggest issue right now, though, is one I didn't mention before -- we can't really feed them simultaneously unless there are two of us around. There are a few reasons -- the first is that we still have to watch them carefully to make sure that they don't have apnea events during their meals. They are both MUCH better than before but haven't entirely grown out of their SSB issues. We have to watch their color carefully and hold them in a side lying position at an angle with our hands on their backs feeling their breaths so we can pace them if we need to. When they're sleepy or particularly hungry (and sucking really hard) they tend to stall out occasionally. I'd say there's been a dramatic improvement in the last week or so, but we're still vigilant. So, for now, we still have to have a one-to-one baby to parent ratio.
The other reason we have to feed them one-on-one is that D is dealing with some pretty severe reflux/gas. About 3 out of 5 feedings involve him screaming bloody murder about halfway through the meal, arching his back and turning bright red in the face. Sometimes he absolutely refuses the bottle altogether and won't eat even if he's obviously starving. Sometimes he projectile vomits half of his meal. He has to be paced very slowly through the feeding because when he goes quickly he has to burp more and burping brings up acid and makes him scream in pain again. The gas and acid tend to "attack" again about an hour or two after the meal, too. He's not a happy baby. There is very little that will comfort him. It hurts so much to watch him. We're working with our doctor on altering my diet, working through some potential homeopathic meds and some anti-reflux anti-gas meds. The zantac seems to finally be kicking in (I think we had to wait until his esophagus healed a bit after he'd started taking it) and he seems to be doing better. But, we still have issues getting him through a meal.
Unfortunately, one of the other things that can be exacerbating the gas is caffeine -- they're still both on caffeine and apnea monitors. The caffeine is weird in that the NICU doctor has them "growing out of" their dose -- rather than reducing the amount we give them, the amount stays the same but the dose per kilogram of body weight gets smaller as they get bigger. It's taking FOREVER to work their way out of it.
(Side note -- that was true when I started this post about a week ago... As of today, they're officially off the caffeine!! Our pediatrician let us reduce the amount slightly and they've been growing quickly so last night was their last dose. Now we have to keep them on the monitors for two more weeks as it leaves their systems so we can make sure they don't have any episodes. I cannot wait to get rid of the monitors. They give a degree of reassurance, but they are the biggest pain in the neck to carry around and have started to give more false alarms as the boys get bigger.)
pex pointed out a new policy in Massachusetts to eliminate free formula packs in all hospitals. I read that Rhode Island did the same recently, too. Other hospitals have done so voluntarily. It's weird, my mind goes in multiple ways with this. Yes, obviously the formula companies are entirely doing it for marketing. They aren't really altruistic. And, maybe there is a correlation between "sticking it out" breastfeeding and not having the free formula. But, seriously, if your milk isn't coming in or you can't breastfeed for whatever reason (or, if you just don't plan to), let us come up with one more way to make mothers feel guilty, shall we? As usual, I'm of the "live and let live" camp. It infuriates me when someone tries to force their beliefs on someone else. Education is what we need so that people can make their own decisions. I'm of two minds with the ban -- yes, it does look like the hospital is endorsing the formula -- but I'm also very much against the idea that helping women have an alternative if they need it is SO wrong that we need to march against it!
someday-soon pointed out that I shouldn't obsess over our freezer milk supply to the point where we have tons left after the boys don't want it anymore. But, what would I do if tiny baby bunnies showed up on my doorstep and needed milk like they did on yours?! :) (I seriously just love this story.)
Anonymous had an interesting point -- breastmilk composition changes over time to adapt to your growing babies' needs. Maybe using our early frozen milk isn't really the best plan. All the milk we have frozen is from when the boys were near to full term. Still, not something I'd thought about before (although I knew about composition changes) and something to think about. I would like to know more about what exactly of the composition changes over time -- is it ratios of fat, protein, etc.? Is it antibodies? I think as long as it isn't their entire food supply it's probably fine. But, something new to obsess about and I always like to have something to obsess about... :) (On the plus side, I don't think we've had to go into the stash for about two weeks. Go, boobs, go!)
Finally, thanks to all for saying how cute and big our boys are! I must say, I'm getting kind of tired of people asking how much they weigh now and then saying "oh, our baby/my nephew/some random kid was bigger than that when they were born!" or "I've never even seen a baby that small" and am very glad they're starting to get bigger than average newborns. I think people really don't understand the concept of "adjusted age." Babies who are born prematurely don't just suddenly become "normal sized." But, people are also often shocked to hear how big they are. Do they think they'll just stay 3 lbs their whole lives? Eh, it's a carryover from the "you're so small for carrying twins!" routine. (Although, I must say I have liked the "OMG, you sure don't look like you have 3 month old twins!!" comments... oak's pumparexia is a real thing.)
Speaking of growing babies:
This is D on May 19 in the NICU, the day after we brought him home (June 13, I think) and about two weeks ago. He's closing in on 9 pounds!
Here's S as he grows, too. He's just over 8 pounds, now. It's really amazing to see how much they are looking like normal babies.
I could keep writing or editing but I'm going to hit publish, now. Otherwise this will take forever...
Love the pics, your boys are adorable!!! D is really starting to get some beautiful rolls on his legs and D looks so active in his current shot =) Happy to hear your boobs have stepped up the pace. I know it's such a huge point of stress and guilt so I'm happy that has at least gone partly away as an issue. With all the stupid comments you receive just remember that they are all ignorant and just don't know any better. You are doing such a fantastic job taking care of your wee ones - keep on, keepin' on =)
ReplyDeleteThe pics are great! I love that they're wearing the same outfits that they used to be swimming in, and now filling out quite nicely!
ReplyDeleteYep, I remember thinking when I gave you a comment about pumping and feeding at the same time that mommy guilt is a huge factor. Plus I wondered about if it was possible with the monitors and apnea issues. Hopefully when they get a little older and you get rid of those monitors it will get better!
I remember the guilt thing too about wanting to hold my baby while feeding her, and not pumping. But I had big issues with supply, and in retrospect I may have had more success if I would have pumped more, and not just waited until Alex was sleeping, when I had to make the choice between pumping and myself sleeping... But it sounds like your boobs are serious champs! Very cool!
I love your updates, and love hearing about how raising your boys is going. You're doing great!!!
I spy LEG ROLLS!! Love!
ReplyDeleteBIG BOYS!!! Wow, they are growing and gaining so fast. I think they've gained way way more in the last month than Smudgie did in his first month--he didn't his 9 lbs until he was over two months and he *was* full term. So don't worry, you are doing just awesome by these wee ones.
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing the pictures. Your boys are so cute!! I am so glad they are gaining weight & doing well.
ReplyDeleteThe breastmilk theft thing weirds me out. I mean, I'm acting as a wetnurse, so I'm clearly au fait with being a mammal for other babies, but it was only something the donor and I were comfortable with after talking pretty comprehensively about all aspects of my life and diet and bloodwork. A lot of foods/meds in milk are fine for some babies but would be dangerous for others, depending on family history of food allegies, prematurity, etc. I really, really hope it was a mistake because it is SO hard to pump in the early days and NICU moms have so much else to worry about, that it infuriates me to think that someone is taking advantage.
ReplyDeleteThe pumping will get easier because you'll be able to go longer between pumpings (and get more milk at a time) as your supply regulates, eventually. Just like a solely BF'd baby also starts to go longer between feedings and just eat more at once. Your boobs will figure it out, I promise. (I just got over 14 oz in my evening pumping for donation, which I never would have imagined possible at the beginning!) Right now you're just at the point where your boobs are expecting your babies to be eating not very much at a time, but very often. So, cheerleeding onwards - I think you can do this, as you're in the worst of it now and you are sending the signals to your body to carry on establishing a robust supply!
Enjoy your reprieve from pump-part washing - the exclusive pumpers I know used to just do a daily washing up with that trick. I hope you have a good hands-free holster and as your boys grow beyond the floppy baby stage it'll be easier to hold them or play while you're pumping, too.
Oh, and about the milk production changing with time - it does, but breastmilk is still breastmilk. The early colustrumy transitional stuff is especially different (apparently it's rather laxative?). There's also big changes from morning to night, in consistency and calorie density and hormone levels, and I think that's why the new medela storage bag design has a spot to write the time of day you pumped, though I personally wouldn't drive myself too crazy about that. I would rotate through your freezer stash so you don't end up having any of it spoil, and if possible offer some fresh milk each day for the most current antibodies...but even breastmilk made when your babies were younger is still breastmilk, and thus more tailor made for them than any other things you could feed them. I really wouldn't worry about the younger baby vs older baby milk thing too much - it won't ever be bad for them, and if you rotate through the old bags one feeding at a time rather than suddenly moving your boys totally to the old stash, it won't be like they're timetravelling back. But even if you did - my baby is 9 months but our recipient is half that age. But perhaps the fact that she's getting slightly more calorically dense milk than other babies her age is the reason she's growing so well. :)
Other tips for freezer stash management (I feel like some kind of lactational Martha Stewart): I know people like to put the milk bags into a gift bag of a size that just fits the bags (that have been frozen flat), and they cut out a slot in the bottom so it's like a dispenser of the older milk and they can put newer milk up at the top. Does that make sense?
And about the hospital gift bag AAP revised statement, which was a hotly debated topic at our house. I agree that having formula in the house is not the kiss of death for BF, but it's easy enough to get samples from the manufacturers directly - while pregnant I requested up a storm to have on hand just in case (our hospital has a no-formula-gift-bag policy). We never needed them, so I just passed them on to someone who did.
DeleteThat being said, our hospital still HAS formula, and a mom who needs formula for medical reasons will always have it provided by the hospital, as will any mom who just requests formula. And, even with a hospital with stellar pro-BF policies, I saw lots of moms in the NICU who just weren't at all wanting to pump or try to BF at all -- for not any particular reason, just preference. It seemed extremely correlated with education level and socioeconomic status to the extent that one can guess at it. So, I think what you and I and other people who read blogs would do with free formula given by the hospital is very different from what poorer families, or families with lacking English skills, or from cultures where medical figures are treated with much more authority.
Anyway, bottom line, I'm all for moms making educated choices, and really what I want is more free BF-oriented samples of stuff (pads for leaking! creams! gel pads! extra pump bottles!) ALSO along with the formula samples for a truly fair and balanced choice-presenting hospital-basket... because I'm a fan of freebies. :)
Also, congrats on the adorable, thriving babies!
ReplyDeleteI think comments on baby size are always awkward. My youngest was an outlier in the other direction, and I was amazed at how tactless people could be about that, sometimes, too. I think really people mean well, and every baby in the world gets the "oh, so tiny!" sometimes because babies are generally tiny compared to children and grownups. (Even a behemoth baby sometimes got those comments.)
What adorable babies!!
ReplyDeleteI don't think anyone really gets how tough BFing is, let alone with feeding issues, pumping and twins! You're doing a great job figuring things out!
I feel the SAME way about commenting - I've been so terrible and actually probably BETTER at reading but worse at commenting. Sigh. I feel terrible. I want to copy and paste your thoughts on it :)
ReplyDeleteAnd those boys are cute and getting so big! And welcome to the pumparexic club, we're happy to have you here!
It looks like you are doing an excellent job. They are growing like crazy!
ReplyDeleteI should have mentioned that the tandem feeding could only happen after they got over the projectile vomiting!
I have nothing to add on the BF'ing front but I wanted to comment and say that I think you are amazing. You have handled everything with such ... grace. And I admire. you for that.
ReplyDeleteYour boys are freaking adorbs.
They look amazing. I have 31 week twins too, one of which nurses and one that I've been pumping for for 7 months now. You are doing great, it's no easy task!
ReplyDeleteI found your blog from Someday-soon's page, I'm looking forward to watching your babies grow.
They look great!! Great job, Mama!
ReplyDeleteWow, look at those handsome boys! I've been doing poorly on the comment front too. I have no excuse, I have plenty of time ;) you are doing a great job caring for your babes. Hang in there.
ReplyDeleteMy those boys are getting big, good job mama!
ReplyDeleteI am in the exact same boat about commenting & reading :)
Your boys are absolutely adorable! and look at those cute little cheeks rounding up on both!:)
ReplyDeleteCouple years ago, I looked into the literature of breastmilk composition changing by time. The most enriched breastmilk is produced between birth and 6 months post-partum. At 6-8 months, the protein levels (antibodies included) would start to decline and from around 12 months postpartum the breastmilk is primarily consist of water and fat and has little protein. The change is due to hormone levels changing/dropping and slowly re-adjusting to non-pregnant. Your early stock is a treasure. Also, the earlier used is the better the quality is since some qualities would be slowly lost in the freezer during storage. Don't feel bad for using your stock already. You do amazing!!!
I haven't visited in so long! I'm so sorry. They are big, healthy and adorable. I am so happy for you!
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