Thanks for all the anniversary wishes! :) I alternate between "how has it already been two years" and "wow, it's only been two years?" We went out to a new restaurant in town on Monday (yummy) and just hung around at home watching TV afterward. I have a cold, so I've been less than interested in doing anything in the evenings other than plopping on the couch.
My cold has also made lecturing interesting -- my voice slowly goes away in the course of a class. Luckily I had a bit of a break between classes today and refreshed a bit. It is pretty much gone all together now and I'm just squeaking.
Anyway, my DH and I talked a lot this weekend about where we go from here. Well, I talked and attempted to get him to share his feelings. He tends not to want to tell me how he feels because he doesn't want to upset me and really does want to do whatever I choose because he knows it is harder for me than him. I almost feel like I was trying to brew up a fight. Not exactly, but I just wanted him to say how he really felt about it all.
This is our third cycle trying since the m/c in June (4th overall cycle post-m/c). Personally, I'm pretty convinced that there is no hope for us getting pregnant on our own. This makes NO sense whatsoever -- we got pregnant on our own in April -- but it's where my mind is. I think that we have maybe a 3% chance each month (if that) on our own. It just feels like the odds of this happening soon are against us. And, I guess I'm just terrified that it will take another 20 months. The thought of it taking that long scares me on multiple levels. First, will my sanity last that long? (I'm afraid of the answer to this one.) Second, is my ovarian reserve just getting worse and worse? (My last FSH test was a year ago and it was 12 -- on the border of being considered "high.") Third, what if it takes 20 months, I get pregnant and then have a loss again? Then they finally decide to test and it turns out that "all I needed" was aspirin -- but, "oops" your FSH level is now 50 and your chances are even lower and now you're likely to be a very poor responder to IVF so "good luck!"
(And, yes, I'm starting the1ww and there is, of course, a chance that I'm pregnant now. I just think I've stopped "believing" in it.)
Also? I just don't know how much longer I can make this the center of my life. When I think back on the last two years it is hard to remember ANYTHING else that has happened other than me focusing intently on my internal organs. This isn't good. I need to move forward. I feel like I've missed two years of my life. I've become apathetic about my career. I've become lazy at work and home. I've become distant from friends with whom I haven't felt comfortable sharing our struggle. I've become a bitter b**** in so many ways. Our sex life has become "hey, when do you need me this month?" I don't remember a time where I was really happy and I don't remember what I used to do when I wasn't thinking about TTC all the time.
So, I really feel like I need to move forward more quickly. I need some sort of resolution. We get more aggressive and it either works or it doesn't. And, then I can figure out how I can move forward. I seriously don't know what else to do with my life right now.
I'm torn, though. The therapist last week asked me if this medication/monitoring break has been good or bad. I think both. Good because non-medicated Rebecca is a much saner person who is more pleasant to be around and more pleasant to be. Good because I don't have to drive 3 hours roundtrip for monitoring appointments once or twice a week. Bad because I just feel like we're marking time. Bad because my anxiety levels keep building each month that passes.
But, honestly? Good because I think it is unlikely that I'll get pregnant this way. I think a small part of me is afraid to get pregnant again. I know that most likely this loss was a one time thing. The probabilities are that it won't happen again. I really do plan on thinking positively about a next pregnancy and reminding myself to enjoy every minute of it. But, I also know that without a second pregnancy there can't be a second loss. I want desperately to be pregnant again but I also desperately do not want to go through another m/c.
So, I know many of you will remember my anger at my current RE -- both her "see you in 6 months" response and her lack of caring about my mental health. So, we're looking at changing doctors. My DH doesn't really have any problem with the original RE. He agrees that 6 months seems kind of foolish but he tends to be a "listen to the doctor" kind of guy and doesn't really see any problems with the laid back "try each new thing 6 times" approach that she takes to treatment. If I weren't almost 36 I'd be OK with that, I think. But, I am and I'm just feeling older and older every day. (I had a prospective student and her mother in my office on Monday. The mother was about five years older than I am (at most). And she had a senior in high school. I had to force myself to stop staring at her during the conversation.)
(Yes, 35 isn't really THAT old. I know this. I just felt "young" back when we started this when I was 33 and now, at 35, I feel and look like I've aged 10 years.)
Anyway, the truth is, though, that my DH will do whatever I want. He knows that this has been hard on me and he wants to support me in it. The problem is that it makes me feel guilty and whiny when I know he thinks we should listen to the doctor and the doctor thinks we should wait and I'm the only one left who thinks we should be more aggressive. I feel like a hypochondriac. He tries to tell me that it is OK for me to set up an appointment with a new doctor, but I know he is internally rolling his eyes about it.
I guess I'm not even sure what I want the doctor to tell us we should do. Before my BFP, we were taking a month or two off in preparation for an IVF consult. We had done 4 Femara IUIs (after several disastrous months on and off Clomid) and had made the decision that we wouldn't do an injectible IUI because it wouldn't add a huge probability to our chances and, if it took several cycles, would most likely cost us as much as IVF would. And then we'd still be looking at moving to IVF.
Now? I have no idea. My DH is no longer on board with moving to IVF. He thinks it is foolish given that we got pregnant without it. But, when I try to describe the costs an inject-IUI cycle would require, the higher risk of multiples, the injections I would ask him to help with (he's very wary to do that even though he's given me multiple trigger shots), I'm not sure he's into that, either. I don't want to go back to Femara-IUIs. I feel like it never made much of a difference for us. I got one or two good follies, he had crazy high post-wash counts and nothing happened. I guess it is better than nothing (although, actually maybe it isn't since I got pregnant with nothing and didn't with the IUIs), but it is hard to see how much it will help.
So, I'm torn. I guess what I want to do is call the second clinic in the town where I go for my appointments to get a second opinion. I seem to keep putting it off, though. I tell myself that I only think about it early in the morning or after they're closed. But, honestly, I think I'm afraid. If I go there I'll have to get my records transferred and that makes me anxious (this is stupid, I realize). If I go there, I feel like I'm jumping back in. The past three months have felt like "casual" TTC. (You know, as casual as you can be with timed intercourse, BBT monitoring and OPKs.) It's felt low risk. If we add anything new to the mix it is high risk and high emotion again.
So, yeah, I'm torn. I don't know where we go from here. I do know that it is possible that this cycle worked. I do know that I can't keep living like this.
(I guess my lack of ability to talk all day has made me write a lot... sorry this was so long...)
Oh I so feel your pain. Somedays I just want to forget about it and move on, but my biological clock is ticking so loud I can't think of anything else. After our last MC this June, we said no more IVF, for the same reason. But we've since changed our mind (although we debate it all the time!), but IUI's are so expensive as well and the success rates are so good!
ReplyDeleteI understand how you're feeling torn. IT sounds completely normal and natural to me. DH is the same way with me which, although supportive, doesn't really help at all.
ReplyDeleteI hope that you're able to make some sense out of all of this and come to a decision that is the best for you.
What a snarly emotional knot! Your DH is entitled to his opinion about doctors, but it seems to me that as a foundational issue, you just HAVE to feel GREAT about the RE you're working with. It's not silly or grasping at straws to look into other providers. There's no way to avoid making tough decisions like this; but you're wise, and you'll make good ones.
ReplyDeleteI am very much in the same boat of wondering whether our early summer m/c was a one-time occurrence or symptomatic of something bigger and scarier. I hopehopehope all this discussion is moot for you, because there's a little bean already growing in there. May your 1ww be as easy as possible, and may there be wonderful news at its end!
ReplyDeleteWoah, Rebecca, at each of your paragraphs I was nodding my head going, "uh-huh, I get that."
ReplyDeleteYou're right, there are no easy answers! It is totally normal to have no idea what the right thing to do next is. I felt the same way as you, after our 4 month "break," about wading back in to the world of ART. The "high stakes" world where when you fail, you fail big time. And I have many days where I still feel like maybe we should just give it more time "naturally," and that maybe all my assisted cycles have just been screwing with the natural rhythms of my body. Oh, and I also feel the years slipping away from me. I also started trying at 33 and have ticked over to 35. I remember thinking at 33 that I was starting (fairly) early, but now I feel so old! And especially when I think about how much I would like to have 2 children, so that means I'm going to be trying for the 2nd one when I'm well into my late 30s (assuming that I can even get pregnant with a 1st).
So, I'm not sure I have much advice for you, other than you need to do what feels right for you. I question all the time if we're doing the right thing by emptying our bank account for something that might not even work, but then I think about how we could try on our own for a year and have nothing happen and we would be right back where we are now but I would be a year older, and I just can't stand the thought of that happening, so I know we need to be doing IVF now just for my own peace of mind.
But having said that, if you don't feel quite ready to "wade back in," taking a few more months to try naturally is not going to set you back that much. I'm not a doctor (ha!), but I'm going to guess that your FSH would not go up much in the next few months. So, if you need a few more months to decide on your next steps, I say take that time, not because you think you'll get a BFP naturally (although you might!), but just because you still need some more time off to figure things out.
I wish there was something I could do or say to help make this easier for you! I am thinking of you. First and foremost, I hope your BFP is right around the corner so you do not have to worry about it but if you do, I wish you the best with whatever you and your DH decide! I know it is not an easy decision!!
ReplyDeleteI think you should call your RE and tell her that you are ready to move on to the next step. You don't have to wait the full 6 months. What I have learned through all of this is that you are in charge of your care and make the decisions. Don’t wait if you feel you are ready.
ReplyDeleteI know you said this to me just yesterday, and we've said it to each other again, but wow, we have so much in common... Age, DH feelings, etc. etc.
ReplyDeleteIt is scary taking that next step. I'm with you - now that we've been through what we've been through, TTC naturally doesn't feel like we're actually DOING anything, you know? You have had one success naturally, but it feels like a fluke, doesn't it? It makes me feel so much better giving the control over to someone else - the RE - and increasing our odds.
Here's what I think about what you said about the IUI's with injections. My hubs has never given me shots - he doesn't want to do it as he's scared he will hurt me, and it freaks him out. Plus with his work schedule, I can't count on him to be home at a particular time each night. My point is that you can do this yourself. It sucks - believe me, everything time I do it I have to take a deep breath and suck it up, tell myself to put on my big-girl panties and just do it, but after I'm done, I'm proud of myself. So offer to do it yourself, and have him stand there and offer you moral support - a hug after the shot really helps.
And yes you have a higher chance of multiples, but with good monitoring and good drug doses, this can be managed. A good RE will cancel a cycle if you have more than 3 or so eggs...
My point is that yes, a lot of the paths suck, but it would be beneficial to talk to another doc and see what his thoughts are. Don't commit to doing anything other than listen. And the answer will come to you.
And you never know, you may not even need any of this, right??? :)
I can totally relate...in my journey there were times when I was scared to TTC and scared not to at the same time. And my DH was always there with the "I'll support whatever you want". It's so lame that there aren't any "right" decisions. My type A brain always wanted there to be.
ReplyDeleteNot sure if this will help but I'll say what I would probabably do if it were me...feel free to ignore every word =) I'd go see RE #2 and maybe do a couple unmonitored Femara cycles. The Femara for a couple reasons...it may increase egg quality a little and last time it seems your natural pregnancy happened on the heals of Femara which may mean it was still contributing to your cycle in some way. If the two months of unmonitored Femara didn't work then I'd go for two month of TTC naturally.
That would be a four month plan and maybe your DH would feel like IVF was less ridiculous if that plan was given full chance of working. Plus you'd feel like you were doing "somthing" and both of you would be on a path that felt ok.
Just some random thoughts and obviously I ended up at IVF so I'm biased. Whatever you decide will be the right decision but I know how hard it can be to decide {{{HUGS}}}
Thanks for sharing your thoughts...As I was reading this post I felt so connected because we are the same age, I too have experienced m/c and I am currently trying to survive one more week of the 2ww. We just had our 5th IUI with great prospects for a potential pregnancy, but like you, I feel doubtful despite my DH's amazing sperm count. BTW, I did 3 IUIs with injections and didn't respond as well as I did with Clomid...Multiples is a scary thing, but part of me just wants to risk it and have twins so I won't have to live through this nightmare anymore! Our next move is IVF - something that I really don't want to go through. This whole struggle has become the #1 preoccupation of mine and I just want it to end. It was nice to read that you too want to be pregnant, but at the same time, are terrified.
ReplyDeleteForget about waiting another 6 months...do whatever your gut is telling you...I actually switched clinics and am much happier with my new RE. Go for it!
Wishing you all the best!
I think everything you're feeling is normal. I can relate to a lot of what you have said, and think it is best to seek a different RE. I don't know what to tell you in regards to another IUI or going towards IVF though since unfortunately we've never felt like we could be there financially. I think that having conversations with DH are good, and I'm kind of jealous that you have more balls than me to say your peace. I've been too scared to talk to Tim (as you know).
ReplyDeleteI wonder if I should have seeked out a different doctor during my pathetic non-monitored clomid cycles, but I was too worried it was me just being anal. Now I'm mad at myself for not taking a more proactive stance in my infertility. And now I'm in this (what seems like) never ending limbo just hoping for a miracle.
I wish I had better words of wisdom, but I'm totally lost in the treches too. I'm always here for you! (((hugs)))
I like the plan of two femera cycles followed up by the two natural cycles. I don't think I could wait another six months either and I think I would be freaking out just a bit.
ReplyDeleteThinking of you!
It makes it so much harder when there's no right answer and no wrong answer either. It sounds to me like you're leaning toward the new RE so maybe that's the right choice for you?
ReplyDeleteI always felt better about my chances when I was on a monitored cycle though I got pg naturally the first (unsuccessful) time as well. For me I think the age thing played the biggest factor but I have a couple of years on you too.
Also, my DH was always the same way - do whatever you want to do. Sooo frustrating, just have an opinion already. If you don't, you can't get mad when I want to do something you don't agree with!